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Post by adrick on Sept 18, 2015 22:58:28 GMT
Love the initiative idea. Lots of potential for victory or tears.
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Post by adrick on Sept 18, 2015 23:49:59 GMT
Looks like the healing rules are still being kicked around but some questions and thoughts for now.
Page 40 of the sample.
the skill roll for helping the injured NPC lists 3 rolls of Dex, Int, and wis + medical.
I am reading this to mean dex+med, int+med and wis+med?
this doesn't line up to the emergency care rules of usually -6 to stabilize. But kinda does to the immersion 2.0.
All being worked on so no worries. Just want to say that i like how an injured person without help might survive. in either version and hope that something similar is in the final ruleset.
The whole left for dead but coming back thing while rare in real life is great for stories. At least in some settings.
Rules for healing say con + medical. is the medical for yourself or for whoever is assisting in treatment?
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Back to the first question about the sample. I first read it as roll Dex+Int+Wis+Medical get 7 total successes.
Not sure how it would work out but I liked the thought of needing to be fast, intelligent, and calm under pressure as well as trained to fix the problem in a chaotic situation.
vs another set of stats for say a long surgery in a controlled environment. Kinda a quick way to do extended rolls, with marginal successes taking more time and barely succeeding or extra successes reducing time and having better effect.
That got me thinking about other combos of skills and stats or teamwork combinations.
Not sure its worth exploring as that gets into alot of different color dice but could have some potential.
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Post by Oliver R Shead on Sept 19, 2015 2:16:17 GMT
Hi adrick, Thanks for the feedback! That's really interesting  I would tend to steer away from having lots and lots of die in one roll, unless they're for a whole group of characters - or, potentially, for an extended period of time (though I've not done that sort of rolling before - usually we just make several rolls). Con + Medical is using your own stats. However, others can give you bonuses. Or, potentially, you could roll using another's Skill level if they were treating you (that's a cool idea). The reason there are multiple Attributes shown (need to be more clear about that), is that any of these could be used in various situations - Dex + Medical for quick patching up, or maybe stemming a cut artery, Int + Medical for working out what to do with a complex case, Wis + Medical would be a very common one, using practical understanding of the situation to figure out what would be best under the circumstances. I also like the possibility that you could recover on your own, even if the chances are slim...it's very cinematic!! |
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Post by rupethebear on Oct 11, 2015 21:20:59 GMT
Once again not sure if this is the correct thread, so sorry in advance...
Bearing in mind that I'm not that technologically adept, in the game world, when all goes to crap, will Google maps still work?
Assuming I can power my phone and I expect the satellites will still be in operation until they lose their orbits will the app or program still work?
Or do the Google mainframes still need power?
Another question in relation to Nuclear power plants.
I am lead to believe the rods generate the power by heating water to drive the power generators or some such. If more power is needed the rods are inserted deeper and retracted if not as much is needed.
My understanding is this operation is carried out by an individual at a control panel.
What happens if the individual isn't there or power to the panel goes out?
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Post by pappadoc on Oct 11, 2015 22:45:43 GMT
Once again not sure if this is the correct thread, so sorry in advance... Bearing in mind that I'm not that technologically adept, in the game world, when all goes to crap, will Google maps still work? Assuming I can power my phone and I expect the satellites will still be in operation until they lose their orbits will the app or program still work? Or do the Google mainframes still need power? Another question in relation to Nuclear power plants. I am lead to believe the rods generate the power by heating water to drive the power generators or some such. If more power is needed the rods are inserted deeper and retracted if not as much is needed. My understanding is this operation is carried out by an individual at a control panel. What happens if the individual isn't there or power to the panel goes out? when power is cut off... satellites don't fall out of the sky or stop working. A satellite in any orbit will continue to orbit indefinitely unless acted on by an external force. For satellites in low orbit, the upper fringes of the atmosphere exert drag on the satellite, which slows it down, resulting in a lowering of the orbit altitude. This can be compensated by using fuel to maintain the desired altitude, but inevitably, once the fuel runs out, the orbit will degrade, and the satellite will enter the atmosphere and burn up, or (for larger satellites) may impact on the Earth. Geostationary satellites (i.e. geosynchronous satellites in a circular equatorial, or near-equatorial, orbit) are at around 36,000 km altitude, and at this height there is no atmosphere to speak of, so there is no drag force to slow it down, and thus the orbital altitude does not degrade. Fuel is still required on the satellite to maintain its orbit position and shape. However, even when this fuel runs out, the satellite will not fall to Earth, but will 'wander around' the orbit, under the pull of external forces such as the Earth's irregular gravitational field, as well as the pull of the Moon and the Sun. This poses a threat to the operational safety of other satellites, and it is for this reason that satellite operators maintain a small reserve of fuel on-board, which is used at the end of life of the satellite to push it up to a higher 'graveyard' orbit, so that it will not get in the way of other satellites. It is interesting to think that, after many millennia have past and the human species and all our Earthly achievements are long gone, our sole remaining monuments may be the remains of those satellites, still endlessly orbiting. |
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Post by pappadoc on Oct 11, 2015 22:52:38 GMT
Once again not sure if this is the correct thread, so sorry in advance... Bearing in mind that I'm not that technologically adept, in the game world, when all goes to crap, will Google maps still work? Assuming I can power my phone and I expect the satellites will still be in operation until they lose their orbits will the app or program still work? Or do the Google mainframes still need power? Another question in relation to Nuclear power plants. I am lead to believe the rods generate the power by heating water to drive the power generators or some such. If more power is needed the rods are inserted deeper and retracted if not as much is needed. My understanding is this operation is carried out by an individual at a control panel. What happens if the individual isn't there or power to the panel goes out? In most reactor designs, as a safety measure, control rods are attached to the lifting machinery by electromagnets, rather than direct mechanical linkage. This means that in the event of power failure, or if manually invoked due to failure of the lifting machinery, the control rods fall automatically, under gravity, all the way into the pile to stop the reaction. A notable exception to this fail-safe mode of operation is the BWR, which requires hydraulic insertion in the event of an emergency shut-down, using water from a special tank under high pressure. Quickly shutting down a reactor in this way is called scramming. Are you saying no water in now in the tank or the tank container has failed? |
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Post by rupethebear on Oct 12, 2015 0:09:25 GMT
I figure that there would still be water in the tank, just had no real clue as to exactly how they worked and if there would be a few holes around the globe as they overheated and exploded.
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Post by vonpenguin on Oct 12, 2015 0:29:44 GMT
More likely a few would fail bad enough that the local soil and ground water would be contaminated. But most would hold for a good long while.
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Post by pappadoc on Oct 12, 2015 1:22:33 GMT
*Cough
chernobyl
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Post by rupethebear on Oct 12, 2015 2:08:16 GMT
Would Google maps still work or is that dependant on the Google host working?
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Post by vonpenguin on Oct 12, 2015 9:59:19 GMT
To my Knowledge Googlemaps streams those images so you would still need some way to connect to their servers, which would need to be on. Same for a GPS map. A map that was downloaded and cached to the computer's memory would still work just fine. And if you were tech inclined enough I imagine it wouldn't be impossible to at least get your latitude and longitude from them, overlay that onto a roadmap you have cached on our computer (or even just cross reference with good old dead tree), and there. Looks like we're on the corner of 10th north and 5th East street. And Googlemaps is only better than a "normal" map in terms of sheer scope, most of those really detailed zoomed in shots are at least several months old if not older, without someone updating you won't be able to use it to find settlements or see what's still standing. Though again, it would be a cool idea to see a group of PCs trying to break into Google headquarters so they could update and download the maps.
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Post by rupethebear on Oct 12, 2015 20:37:14 GMT
To my Knowledge Googlemaps streams those images so you would still need some way to connect to their servers, which would need to be on. Same for a GPS map. A map that was downloaded and cached to the computer's memory would still work just fine. And if you were tech inclined enough I imagine it wouldn't be impossible to at least get your latitude and longitude from them, overlay that onto a roadmap you have cached on our computer (or even just cross reference with good old dead tree), and there. Looks like we're on the corner of 10th north and 5th East street. And Googlemaps is only better than a "normal" map in terms of sheer scope, most of those really detailed zoomed in shots are at least several months old if not older, without someone updating you won't be able to use it to find settlements or see what's still standing. Though again, it would be a cool idea to see a group of PCs trying to break into Google headquarters so they could update and download the maps. Though again, it would be a cool idea to see a group of PCs trying to break into Google headquarters so they could update and download the maps. That's sort of what I was thinking. |
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Post by pappadoc on Oct 14, 2015 3:29:11 GMT
To my Knowledge Googlemaps streams those images so you would still need some way to connect to their servers, which would need to be on. Same for a GPS map. A map that was downloaded and cached to the computer's memory would still work just fine. And if you were tech inclined enough I imagine it wouldn't be impossible to at least get your latitude and longitude from them, overlay that onto a roadmap you have cached on our computer (or even just cross reference with good old dead tree), and there. Looks like we're on the corner of 10th north and 5th East street. And Googlemaps is only better than a "normal" map in terms of sheer scope, most of those really detailed zoomed in shots are at least several months old if not older, without someone updating you won't be able to use it to find settlements or see what's still standing. Though again, it would be a cool idea to see a group of PCs trying to break into Google headquarters so they could update and download the maps. Though again, it would be a cool idea to see a group of PCs trying to break into Google headquarters so they could update and download the maps. That's sort of what I was thinking. See you in SF, then. |
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Post by Oliver R Shead on Oct 14, 2015 13:08:28 GMT
Haha, that's awesome. Breaking into google to get at the maps. Brilliant!
As to the rods, the thing is that they remain hot for a really, really long time. The steam generated from that heat is what turns the turbines (at least that's what I think, as far as my limited knowledge extends). What I do know for sure is that they're kept under deep water, and pumps are there to put more water in. There are of course emergency shut down procedures and so on, but the collapse of society happens gradually enough, that people would want to keep them running for much-needed power. And there's enough of them that here and there things would go pear shaped.
In the case of a reactor not being manned, the pumps would work for a while on their own, but eventually they would fail (probably due to emergency generators running out of fuel), and then the water in the rod pools would evaporate, and then heat from the rods would fry the roof of the building, setting fire to it and everything would come apart. Boom. Radioactive plumes of smoke high in the air, raining down fallout and making rains of sulfuric acid. Yum!
But I figure that wouldn't happen until at least six months to a year in to the outbreak, so you've got time!
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Post by thangulhad on Oct 14, 2015 20:48:00 GMT
I used to be a Nuke Machinist's Mate in the US Navy, working in the aft main machinery room on the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72). The principal of nuclear power is much like conventional power generation is for oil or coal. Here is a quick high level diagram of the engineering concept: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/PWR_nuclear_power_plant_diagram.svgYou will notice 2 loops. The left one, which flows through the reactor is called the primary loop. The other, is the secondary loop. If and when you have a reactor breach from overheating, the primary loop has to dry up or the reactor coolant pumps have to fail. This will melt the fuel rod cell cladding, making the primary loop highly radioactive. Eventually the primary loop will have a breach in the steam generator due to heat. This is where the contamination gets out and where the term "meltdown" comes from. The water is usually a local water source. Lake, river, ocean. All this eventually will become irradiated. Now as far as the fuel source, U235 (Uranium 235) is the most prevalent. The half life of this material is 703.8 million years. Half life is the measure at which the time taken for the radioactivity of a specified isotope to fall to half its original value. So this is why effectively areas that have meltdowns are effectively blocked off, as they won't be inhabitable for a VERY LONG time. |
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